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(IE, the article on Cleopatra, "The arduous process and enormous cost of completing Cleopatra resulted in the end of the sword and sandal epic.) Maybe just disambiguate? 142.167.180.221 ( talk) 07:32, 21 February 2009 (UTC) As a result there are also lots of misleading misdirects, probably by people who didn't read this. Here it's essentially preambled that, "no, those are period films (no wiki article)" which is a bit jarring. If the term was originally meant for Pepla that's certainly valid but it's at the very least become commonplace in North American pop-culture in the sense of that specific (Anglo-American) film craze. Great respect to the folks who did all the Pepla research and writing here, but I only got here in the first place because I wanted a list of the Quo Vadis -> Cleopatra Roman/biblical films of the 50s and early 60s it never occurred to me this wasn't the original or exclusive sense of the phrase. Stan 06:02 (UTC) IMO "Sword and sandal film (Hollywood)" or something to that effect needs an article, badly. I've never seen or even heard of (that I remember) any of the low-budget Italian flicks, but I have heard "sword-and-sandal" used by critics, as a generic pejorative for any pre-medieval flick. I guess if I had to make up something, I would say "characters from ancient times heroically acting according to 20th century mores".
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IHCOYC 04:23 (UTC) I'd never thought about how an official definition might read. I guess it strikes me as a bit of a stretch to define the genre in such a way that includes The Ten Commandments as well as Hercules Versus the Moon Men. You also could get some spill-over from loosely Biblical stuff from the same period you mention Ben-Hur a film like The Silver Chalice might conceivably also count. They obviously relate, at least as homage. I've never really seen the phrase used of anything but a low-budget Italian picture. I've heard of Ben-Hur, the 1960s Cleopatra, Spartacus, etc, being called "sword and sandal", but this writeup seems to exclude those? Stan 03:31 (UTC) 14 Image copyright problem with Image:Hercules Scene 01.jpg.11 New section?-English language productions.